dammispazio ha scritto:ma ma...il Darfur...non era quella caramellina che ti piace tanto e che fa...da da da darfur?


okkei pessssimaaaa

dammispazio ha scritto:bene
ottimo
correggetemi se sbaglio ma i risultati fino ad ora fanno presupporre una grande rinascita per l italia
da domani tutti piu fighi piu giovani piu belli piu ricchi piu felici piu eruditi...tutto di piu insomma...
ne sono lieta, da domani nessuno si lamentare piu di niente...giusto?
ovvia che sollievo....sparira la munnezza e potro finalmente rimangiarmi la margherita bufala

dammispazio ha scritto:si ma fra sei mesi sento qualcuno che si lamenta di qualcosa di quelli che hanno votato berlusca (e ce l hanno scritto in faccia, casomai nel dubbio controllare l orlo del pantalone quello non lascia mai dubbi)....
sono autorizzata a schiacciarli la testa contro un muro? alla faccia del rispetto per le opinioni altrui?

Kalimeroxxx ha scritto:

dammispazio ha scritto:ma ma...il Darfur...non era quella caramellina che ti piace tanto e che fa...da da da darfur?


okkei pessssimaaaa

vad a ritirare su il topic della raffica

Kalimeroxxx ha scritto:vabbè boo decisamente sei presa dal clima elettorale,e tutti quei raazzini che a 18 anni votano sinistra solo perchè fa figo te li sei scordati

dammispazio ha scritto:vado a cucinare una pappa leggera
perdonate il deliro (insolito vero?)
ho pure la febbre e siamo in primavera

el pais ha scritto:Esta tarde-noche deberían conocerse los resultados de las elecciones generales italianas. La cuestión que causa cierto desasosiego e incredulidad fuera de Italia y, según los sondeos, a casi una mitad de los italianos (una sociedad políticamente dividida, como casi todas), es la de que cómo es siquiera posible, y hasta probable, que Silvio Berlusconi pueda volver a convertirse por tercera vez en presidente del Gobierno, volviendo a unir en su persona la característica de ser el hombre más rico y el políticamente más poderoso. Sería la corrupción personificada en el corazón del Estado, la influencia directa del dinero y de los medios de comunicación en la política. Ésa es la base de su populismo, ante el que se plantean no sólo objeciones políticas sino morales, e incluso estéticas, pues este personaje es muy vulgar.


Para Berlusconi, si el Estado te pide demasiado es legítimo evadir los impuestos

Italia puso su sistema político patas arriba con la campaña de Manos Limpias de jueces y fiscales que acabó con el dominio de la Democracia Cristiana. El desencanallamiento de la política italiana que buscaba esa operación se ha reproducido, y el mayor beneficiario ha sido Sua Emitenza, que ha subvertido la justicia para protegerse de los cargos de corrupción. Gracias a los cambios de leyes que impulsó, llega a estas elecciones libre de preocupaciones de condenas y cárceles. Y si, a sus 71 años, las gana, puede aspirar a situarse como referente moral en la Presidencia de la República, empujando a Napolitano a dimitir para tomar acto, si se confirma su victoria, de lo que llama "la nueva fase política italiana".

Los italianos tienen ese arte de no tomarse en serio ni la política ni a sus políticos. La mejor explicación que he escuchado, de boca de un amigo romano, es que la última vez que los italianos se tomaron realmente en serio a un dirigente político, fue con Benito Mussolini, y el tiro les salió por la culata. Este descreimiento es el que hace posible que pueda ganar un personaje como Berlusconi.

Pero podrían pararse a pensar qué ha hecho por Italia, y la verdad es que bien poco. Ha hecho más por él y por la defensa de sus intereses, mezclando los suyos privados y públicos. Pero, claro, él mismo lo explica: "Si yo, velando por los intereses de todos, también cuido los míos, entonces no se puede hablar de conflicto de intereses".

Él mismo hace una apelación constante a la ilegalidad. Para Berlusconi, que promete reducciones fiscales, si el Estado te pide demasiado es legítimo evadir los impuestos. Lo dijo una vez, recuerda otro amigo italiano, cuando era primer ministro, nada menos que en la ceremonia de graduación de los Finanzieri, la policía fiscal. Y lo ha repetido en la campaña. Otra vez afirmó que "hay leyes que los italianos no perciben como tales". Ahora bien, añade el amigo, no son sólo los italianos ricos, sino también los menos ricos, los que violan las normas para evadir impuestos, subsidios a los que no se tiene derecho, a construir contra las normas municipales, a cobrar en negro por actividades no declaradas, o a tener una ilegal como asistenta. Esto no es propio únicamente de Italia.

La diferencia es que Berlusconi les dice descaradamente a los italianos que no se preocupen, que no les va a pasar nada. Les confirma en su descreimiento del Estado. Y si Italia anda bloqueada, él no la va a desbloquear. No es un reformista.

La izquierda tiene también una parte de la responsabilidad de que Berlusconi pueda volver al mando político. Pues aunque el Gobierno de Prodi cayó por Mastella, un democristiano, de picador actuó la izquierda radical. En cuanto a Walter Veltroni y su Partido Demócrata (PD), representa algo nuevo y el empuje de una nueva generación (la siguiente a la del propio dirigente). Pero su política se ha vuelto tan moderada, tan realista, que frustra muchas de las ilusiones que había despertado. El PD no quiere que se le recuerde su pasado comunista, y hasta tiene miedo de aparecer como socialdemócrata.

Por si no bastara, recuerda el citado amigo, está la cuestión religiosa, sumamente artificial en un país donde son cada vez menos los que siguen los preceptos de la Iglesia católica a los que, sin embargo, los cuatro líderes de los partidos de derechas rinden homenaje diario, aunque todos tienen algo en común: Berlusconi, Casini, Fini y Bossi son todos divorciados y vueltos a casar. Forman parte de los llamados atei devoti (ateos devotos), no cristianos sino cristianistas, en el sentido de que están convencidos que para oponerse a lo que ven como el monstruo islámico hay que seguir fielmente el diktat del Papa alemán con quien mantienen una alianza nefasta.

the times ha scritto:Silvio Berlusconi tonight headed for his third term in office after projections in Italy's general election gave him and his centre-Right allies a clear lead in the Senate as well as in the Lower House.

Walter Veltroni, leader of the centre Left, conceded defeat, saying "The Right will govern". But he said Mr Berlusconi owed his victory to his alliance with the separatist Northern League, which made an unexpectedly strong showing.

Mr Veltroni said he had telephoned Mr Berlusconi to congratulate him. "As is customary in all western democracies, and as I feel it is right to do, I called the leader of the People of Freedom, Silvio Berlusconi, to acknowledge his victory and wish him good luck in his job," Mr Veltroni said.

Official projections gave Mr Berlusconi and the centre Right 45.7% in the Lower House, or 340 seats, with 38.9% for Mr Veltroni and the centre Left, translating into 241 seats. In the Senate Mr Berlusconi's "People of Liberty" alliance was projected to have 46.8% to 37.9% for the Democratic Party, a fusion of liberals and former Communists, which if confirmed would give the Right 163 seats and the Left 141.

The result for the first time gives Italy a bi-polar Parliament dominated by Centre Right and Centre Left blocs, with several smaller parties excluded.

The last Government, a ten-party, centre-left coalition led by Romano Prodi, had a one-seat Senate majority and survived for only 20 months of its five-year term. Mr Prodi is bowing out of politics and has handed the leadership of the centre-Left to Mr Veltroni who, in a move designed to reassure many middle-class Italians, decided not to include the far-Left and the Greens in his alliance.

Analysts noted that the Northern League had performed unexpectedly well and would push for a powerful presence in any Berlusconi government. By contrast the Rainbow Alliance of Communists and Greens performed poorly.

Both Mr Berlusconi and Mr Veltroni vowed to cut taxes, reduce Italy's huge public debt and liberalise the public sector. A lacklustre campaign was enlivened only towards the end by Mr Berlusconi's reversion to typically extravagant remarks and promises. Most Italians weary of squabbling self serving politicians and chronic political instability turned out to vote with little enthusiasm.

Italians doubt whether the next government — the 62nd since the Second World War — will be able to reverse economic decline, stimulate investment, introduce deregulation and stem price rises for basic foods such as pasta and bread.

Symptoms of decline include the rubbish crisis in Naples, and the associated health scare over tainted buffalo mozzarella, as well as the faltering sale of the state airline AlItalia. Mr Berlusconi helped to undermine a bid by Air France KLM by advocating an "all-Italian" bid which has yet to materialise. One recent survey indicated that 51.4 per cent of Italians "feel worse off" today, compared with 36 per cent a year ago.

Mr Berlusconi, mocked by the Left for his efforts to disguise his height, age and receding hairline, has been implicated in a string of corruption investigations. He ran up a budget deficit equal to 4.4 per cent of gross domestic product (GDP) during his last period in office.

That made his victory all the more remarkable. At 71 he was written off by his critics as too old, too prone to vulgar gaffes, too wedded to vested interests and too dogged by corruption allegations to be the leader chosen by Italians to reverse the country’s economic and social decline.

Many will have been persuaded by the anti-Veltroni points Mr Berlusconi hammered away at in the campaign - that Mr Veltroni is a former Communist, that when mayor of Rome he posed with film stars but failed to tackle illegal immigration and urban degradation, but above all that he was associated with the government of Romano Prodi, during which Italy was overtaken by Spain economically and rubbish piled up uncollected in the streets of Naples.

It was a vintage hustings performance by Mr Berlusconi, who began as a cruise ship entertainer, made a fortune in property development in Milan and then in television before entering politics in 1994 to revive the centre-Right after the collapse of Christian Democracy and “save the country from the Communists”.

For many middle class Italians, fear and loathing of the Left proved stronger in this election than doubts about Mr Berlusconi and his more dubious allies such as the separatist Northern League. They forgave his gaffes in the closing stages of the campaign: his assertion that right wing women were more attractive than those on the Left, his description of Francesco Totti, the revered captain of AS Roma, as “out of his mind” for backing the Centre Left candidate for mayor of Rome, and his praise of a convicted mafioso who was once on his staff as a “hero”.

Mr Veltroni, who at 52 is 20 years younger than Mr Berlusconi, was thought to have closed the gap partly because of his effective performance on television and at rallies in calling for change and a break with the past, and partly because Mr Berlusconi's attempt to project a more sober, elder statesman image was undermined by characteristic gaffes on the last lap.

Mr Veltroni's chances , however, have been hampered by his Communist past, of which Mr Berlusconi reminded voters repeatedly. He also sent a campaign booklet to all households in Rome saying that, as Mayor of Rome, Mr Veltroni had failed to tackle illegal immigration and urban degradation.

But Italians know that — as one of his aides put it during the campaign — Mr Berlusconi tends to “say the first thing that comes into his head”. During his last period in power, from 2001 to 2006, he compared a German MEP to a “kapo” in a Nazi concentration camp, and suggested that the Danish Prime Minister should have an affair with his wife, the former actress Veronica Lario, because he was good looking.

He later had to apologise to his wife publicly for flirting openly with voluptuous television showgirls, offering to run off with one and marry another. When Tony and Cherie Blair visited him at his villa in Sardinia he wore a jaunty piratical bandana to hide a hair transplant. He told another visitor — Boris Johnson, then Editor of the Spectator — that Mussolini had been a benign dictator who did not murder opponents but sent them “on holiday” (that is, into exile).

After losing power to Mr Prodi in 2006 he refused at first to step down, alleging voting “irregularities”, and retreated back to Sardinia, where he staged a fake volcanic eruption during a fireworks party and was photographed with yet more showgirls from his Mediaset television empire. He denied he intended to form “the People of Liberty” from his Forza Italia and the Far Right Alleanza Nazionale — then proceeded to do precisely that after Mr Veltroni formed the Democratic Party.

During the campaign he referred to his short height (he wears stacked heels), claiming he was taller than either Vladimir Putin or Nicolas Sarkozy. The magistrates who have repeatedly invesitaged him for corruption, he said, should have regular mental health checks. Accused of failing to revive Italy’s economy when he was in power, leaving it with near zero growth and a huge deficit, he blithely deflected the blame onto Mr Prodi. In the campaign he waved the nationalist and protectionist flag, sinking the Air France KLM bid for the near bankrupt Alitalia by vowing to put together an all Italian consortium - which never materalised.

He has been mercilessly mocked for his cosmetic surgery and perma tan, his empty promises, his male chauvinism. Yet he bounces back — and although Mr Veltroni claimed Mr Berlusconi looked “tired” during the campaign he showed extraordinary energy and infectious optimism. He is still the dominant figiure on the Italian political stage while other European leaders - Tony Blair, Jacques Chirac, José Maria Aznar, Gerhard Schröder — have all gone.

The next stage, it is rumoured, is for him to stand for election as head of state. Many Italians, it seems, remain seduced by his promise to make them as rich as he is — and his entertainment value. What he has to prove however is that he can use his last term of office to do what he failed to do last time, and generate growth, raise productivity, encourage investment, tackle the crippling bureaucracy, nepotism and organised crime — and give Italy hope

kylie ha scritto:
non ho capito l'ultima frase di quello in spagnolo...